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May 14, 2008, 06:13:01 pm
The samsung instinct...go to sprint's home page www.sprint.com and take a look at the instinct/iphone comparison, it's an amazing phone...kicks the iphone's butt, and tmo has nothing in the future coming like that, especially if the rumors of the "touch Blackberry" going lifetime to v-dub (verizon)

But I'm not even convinced that it's a real phone, looks like a photoshopped iphone.

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May 14, 2008, 08:22:14 pm
While the Instinct is a decent phone, I don't know that I would think that in and of itself would be good enough reason for Tmo to completely abandon its own technology.  I like the Instinct, but I don't think that I would pick one up, I'm far too used to having a PDA phone nowadays - but there are a lot of people out there that are going to grab one.

I still just think it would be a major headache for Tmobile to absorb Sprint.

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May 14, 2008, 08:35:17 pm
I hope your joking about that blackberry touch being photoshopped.

If Tmob went CDMA... it would shrink the pool of phones from an olympic sized pool, to a sink.

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May 14, 2008, 09:30:57 pm
The Instinct is not worth a merger. The Blackberry "Thunder" looks better.
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May 14, 2008, 10:37:40 pm
I really don't see why a production version of the instinct couldn't be enabled for gsm variants. Bring that model to T-mobile with sim card love and then we could really play ball. T-mobile definitely needs an iPhone killer and while we have our speculation on what it will be, nobody has sent proof positive evidence on what it truly is. A blackberry touchscreen would certainly grab huge amounts of attention especially now that blackberry has thrown their hand into the ring of application building.

That being said, no one has put forth any real solid evidence and by that I mean someone of professional capacity that would validate any reason to truly believe that DT and Sprint could possibly merge. I'll chalk it up to the same rumor pool that keeps telling me the loch ness monster is real.

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May 15, 2008, 01:19:58 am
the thing that gets me is that it's not t-Mob US that is rumored to be interested, it's DT. DT buying Sprint/Nextel would not necessarily preclude a merger.
However, having said that, I do find it interesting how suddenly Sprint is getting all public about how they might spin off Nextel... I cannot believe anyone would actually consider buying it if Nextel was still in the picture. Not that I have anything against Nextel (my clumsy ass loves those mil spec phones of theirs) but that had to be one of the dumbest mergers ever.

speaking of mil-spec, anybody read about that Sonim XP-1? it's a mil-spec GSM phone. it doesnt have all the NA bands yet (just tri-band, no 850) but it's a sharp looking little handset.

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May 15, 2008, 05:37:49 am
That being said, no one has put forth any real solid evidence and by that I mean someone of professional capacity that would validate any reason to truly believe that DT and Sprint could possibly merge. I'll chalk it up to the same rumor pool that keeps telling me the loch ness monster is real.

http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/05/05/mean-street-just-say-nein-to-dtsprint/

http://www.rcrnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/SUB/241395404/1011/FREE

I like this piece "Neither Sprint Nextel nor DT has denied the merger speculation." and just a couple days later,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTTIjQ8qgKEU

For better or for worse, this is very possible. All those working for T-Mobile expect alot of crazy change. Existing T-Mobile customers need not worry, T-Mobile was going to move on with or without Sprint. 3g is still there, thousands of new towers still being built, existing customers are the lucky ones.

First off, Nextel would be sold off. When you think about it, it could just be worth the low low value of Sprint right now just for the spectrum and the towers. Now you may go "Hey but they are CDMA towers!" and you are wrong, kinda of. The tower itself, the building, can be used to house GSM equipment. Ive talked to someone who gets zoning rights for T-Mobile(one of my customers), and it is no walk in the park. It can be extremely hard to get a tower built(the building itself again), she was telling me how just a word from the zoning committee can scrap your whole project. Also stories how a tower will be done and ready for equipment, which was in the middle of an industrial complex, and the committee made them rebuild it as a palm tree tower. Again that is in the middle of an industrial complex. So you can imagine this kinda bs going on all the time, with tons of HOAs, city/county/state governments, business owners...ect. And the work force you would need to employ to get THOUSANDS of these done every month. Hell the Carolinas got 163 towers in 2 months!

So what that means is, yes the antenna and other GSM specific equipment would be expensive to replace. The parts from the CDMA towers would still work and could be resold at some fraction of their cost. Then the savings on labor for getting zoning and building the towers. So reequipping the towers wouldn't be that bad. What would be a problem is more internal logistical problems that would likely result in large churn for 1-2 years. Switching employees, stores, customers, all of that would be insane. Any store near an existing T-Mobile store is gone, the employees will need to be retrained to T-Mobile standards(the ones that make it), and converting around 40 million accounts which with such different bill systems would be fun. And what do you get from it all:

SPECTRUM AND 40 MILLION CUSTOMERS!!              (Yes 40 million, Im not counting Nextel)

Now think about this, T-Mobile and Sprint both sat out at the 700mhz auction. Verizon and at&t bought ALOT of spectrum, 9 and 8 billion spent each. Now both Sprint and T-Mobile are way behind in spectrum, neither has enough for LTE while now Verizon and at&t do. However both T-Mobile and Sprint's spectrum combined could definitely do it. Imagine that if they were to merge, T-Mobile could spend the next few years migrating customers to AWS(1700/2100) for voice as they build it out. Then they could build out LTE on the 1900/850mhz which would be a large amount since both T-Mobile and Sprint are largely based in 1900mhz. 4g problem solved, and could be deployed about the same time and at&t or Verizon.

The 40 millions customers will help as well, but I imagine a realistic 25% churn of those customers. Even then that doubles T-Mobiles customer base and makes them a real contender because if they play their cards right, they will make up that loss real fast.

Ehh, but this is all really only IMO, who knows whats really going to happen.

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May 15, 2008, 10:59:48 am
I really don't see why a production version of the instinct couldn't be enabled for gsm variants. Bring that model to T-mobile with sim card love and then we could really play ball. T-mobile definitely needs an iPhone killer and while we have our speculation on what it will be, nobody has sent proof positive evidence on what it truly is. A blackberry touchscreen would certainly grab huge amounts of attention especially now that blackberry has thrown their hand into the ring of application building.

That being said, no one has put forth any real solid evidence and by that I mean someone of professional capacity that would validate any reason to truly believe that DT and Sprint could possibly merge. I'll chalk it up to the same rumor pool that keeps telling me the loch ness monster is real.
A GSM version of the Instinct (or even the Glyde variant) would be a nice proposal.  Though I still don't believe those phones are iphone caliber they are really nice phones.  I kind of hope that T-Mo's iphone killer is going to be an Android device, that would be killer for me.

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May 15, 2008, 12:45:02 pm
awesome info Droom, I knew this topic would bring out the best arguments, and no, I'm not joking, the bb touch looks like a poorly photoshopped iPhone

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May 15, 2008, 01:55:31 pm
awesome info Droom, I knew this topic would bring out the best arguments, and no, I'm not joking, the bb touch looks like a poorly photoshopped iPhone
The mockup of the BB touchscreen does look pretty bad...

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May 15, 2008, 08:47:10 pm
If tmobile comes up with a touchscreen blackberry this would really attract attention frmo alot of people but it would not be enough to beat the iphone. Tmobile is coming up with a sidekick gekko in july 27 2008 and there are rumors that it would be touchsscreen also with a ful qwerty keyboard. If this happens i think that this may be enough to beat the lousy iphone.  i have the iphone and i have to say it is not better than my LX. ;D

May 15, 2008, 09:47:26 pm
I may be the one against touchscreen
I have been using it for 5 years, started from HP H1945
it's good for pointer, but it's awful for text input, and it's NO-NO-NO for "blind input"
I'd go for bb9k or E71 once they're out with T-Mobile US

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May 16, 2008, 12:23:34 pm
awesome info Droom, I knew this topic would bring out the best arguments, and no, I'm not joking, the bb touch looks like a poorly photoshopped iPhone
The mockup of the BB touchscreen does look pretty bad...

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/13/blackberry-thunder-the-touchscreen-blackberry-weve-all-been-waiting-for/

read the p.s.

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May 16, 2008, 02:17:07 pm
awesome info Droom, I knew this topic would bring out the best arguments, and no, I'm not joking, the bb touch looks like a poorly photoshopped iPhone
The mockup of the BB touchscreen does look pretty bad...

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/13/blackberry-thunder-the-touchscreen-blackberry-weve-all-been-waiting-for/

read the p.s.
Yes, I know.  Didn't I say the /mockup/ of the BB touchscreen looks bad??  ::)

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May 17, 2008, 04:12:13 pm
shouldnt have replied to you, i was replying to the guy who said he wasnt convinced it was a real phone and that it looked like a bad photoshop...when it was in fact confirmed and admittedly a photoshop  ::)

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May 17, 2008, 04:16:15 pm
shouldnt have replied to you, i was replying to the guy who said he wasnt convinced it was a real phone and that it looked like a bad photoshop...when it was in fact confirmed and admittedly a photoshop  ::)
Got ya.  Not a problem then ;)

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May 18, 2008, 08:35:46 am
^^^
I have to agree with you. I see Blackberry making a touchscreen phone like the Tilt see they made a patent for it last year.
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May 19, 2008, 03:31:18 pm
I may be the one against touchscreen
I have been using it for 5 years, started from HP H1945
it's good for pointer, but it's awful for text input, and it's NO-NO-NO for "blind input"
I'd go for bb9k or E71 once they're out with T-Mobile US

Is there still going to be an e71 for tmobile? Everything has been quiet lately.