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February 25, 2012, 09:08:34 pm
Can't wait for even benchmarks for all. This is a guess of the best overall SoC's upcoming:

1.) TI OMAP5 series (A15 @ 28nm)
2.) Samsung Exynos 5 series (A15 @ 32nm)
3.) Qualcomm S4 series (A15 @ 28nm)
4.) TI OMAP 4470 (A9 @ 45nm)
4.) Samsung Exynos 4412 (A9 @ 45nm)
5.) Nvidia Tegra 3 (A9 @ 40nm)

NOTE: A5x not included since no specs have leaked yet.
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April 12, 2012, 07:02:02 pm
I think Samsung exynos 5 series is going to be the benchmark when it comes out. The fact that they are following Arm's BIG.little a15/a7 architecture means performance is going to be really good. TI omap 5 comes close but they use m4's instead of a7's. At first I thought 32nm would be a disadvantage for Samsung but I've seen news that they are migrating to the 28nm node. I'm interested to see how qualcomm's s4 will compete. They are a15 like but not sure if their architecture is as advanced. In the end maybe graphics performance might be the deciding factor since we are getting to to the point where cpu processing power is more than adequate for mobile... I might have to eat my words in a year or so :P oh yeah nvidia tegra 4 aka wayne and higher will also be a15. Integrated radios on the SoC is very important for power efficiency these days in mobile.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 07:05:14 pm by johnp888 »

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April 13, 2012, 08:14:51 pm
I think Samsung exynos 5 series is going to be the benchmark when it comes out. The fact that they are following Arm's BIG.little a15/a7 architecture means performance is going to be really good. TI omap 5 comes close but they use m4's instead of a7's. At first I thought 32nm would be a disadvantage for Samsung but I've seen news that they are migrating to the 28nm node. I'm interested to see how qualcomm's s4 will compete. They are a15 like but not sure if their architecture is as advanced. In the end maybe graphics performance might be the deciding factor since we are getting to to the point where cpu processing power is more than adequate for mobile... I might have to eat my words in a year or so :P oh yeah nvidia tegra 4 aka wayne and higher will also be a15. Integrated radios on the SoC is very important for power efficiency these days in mobile.

Yes, integrated radios is very important to save battery life, that's where Qualcomm gets the upper hand. I'm not sure who else has integrated radios on their SoC's right now (and before), but yea, the others are moving towards integrated radios in their next gen SoC's.

Now as for BIG.little, i'm not too hyped for it because it uses an ancient (in tech terms) A7 core. Yes it for screen off background processes, but I don't have high hopes for it. I know what the M4 core are (low power cores for screen off background processes), but i don't know how it compares to ARMs A7 low power for BG processes in BIG.little. And its not a performance thing, its a battery saver thing. The performance will come from the A15 cores.

And the S4 has already been benchmarked thoroughly against the Tegra 3 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3 |&| http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one). And yea, Qualcomm doesn't use ACTUAL ARM Cortex cores, but they have a license of ARMs instruction set, so the chips remain compatible at the user level. So its basically a "custom" ARM core. Good read here (even tho its old and talks about its 'Scorpion' core [A8 class]): http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/94064-how-qualcomms-snapdragon-arm-chips-are-unique

So how will it compare to an ACTUAL A15 core? We have to wait and find out once one of them are benchmarked, but I can't wait. S4's Krait core (A15 class) is already beasting the CPU benchmarks against A9s (Tegra 3) already by 2x/100%. Their current S4 GPU (Adreno 225) is on par with Tegra 3, so no disappointment there. They're both still behind the A5/A5x (which uses SGX543) in GPU performance. The next S4 will uses a next gen Adreno GPU (3XX) in the 2nd half, so watch out for that.

And yea, I know about the next Tegra using an A15 core (and integrated radio). Not sure if it'll be Tegra 3+ or Tegra 4 first.
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April 15, 2012, 10:37:25 am
JHop: i was thinking for BIG.little the a7's would be scheduled to operate if the os or sw does not require maximum IPC (such as graphics intentive games, etc) and thus operate at a lower voltage and freq, therefore saving battery. but yeah, unknown how complex this arbitration code is going to have to be to make this happen. would be silly to use an a7 to just do background processes i would think... but i definitely will have to do more reading on it. As for qualcomm S4's being cortex A15 like, qualcomm plays a different strategy being an ARM architecture licensee. they have to develop something and use for a longer time since they have to recoup development costs of making such a SoC rather than using ARM's IP directly. as Anandtech put it, their ARM like cores are usually hybrids of previous and future generations. But for day to day use i'm currently assuming/hoping they are comparable. I've always owned HTC phones with qualcomm SoC's and in the back of my head i always feel like when new ARM chips come out i'm kind of slightly behind. for example my sensation has an ARM cortex a9 like processor. but ARM's cortex a9 processors are slightly newer in the development cycle so the geeky side of me wants the best performance :P i know the samsung's exynos with it's cortex a9 is most likely a more powerful processor. again, in day to day use, it's questionable how different things are between SoC's. hehe

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April 15, 2012, 07:26:29 pm
JHop: i was thinking for BIG.little the a7's would be scheduled to operate if the os or sw does not require maximum IPC (such as graphics intentive games, etc) and thus operate at a lower voltage and freq, therefore saving battery. but yeah, unknown how complex this arbitration code is going to have to be to make this happen. would be silly to use an a7 to just do background processes i would think... but i definitely will have to do more reading on it. As for qualcomm S4's being cortex A15 like, qualcomm plays a different strategy being an ARM architecture licensee. they have to develop something and use for a longer time since they have to recoup development costs of making such a SoC rather than using ARM's IP directly. as Anandtech put it, their ARM like cores are usually hybrids of previous and future generations. But for day to day use i'm currently assuming/hoping they are comparable. I've always owned HTC phones with qualcomm SoC's and in the back of my head i always feel like when new ARM chips come out i'm kind of slightly behind. for example my sensation has an ARM cortex a9 like processor. but ARM's cortex a9 processors are slightly newer in the development cycle so the geeky side of me wants the best performance :P i know the samsung's exynos with it's cortex a9 is most likely a more powerful processor. again, in day to day use, it's questionable how different things are between SoC's. hehe

I meant to say 2nd half, not 3nd half in the towards the bottom of my last post, lol. But as for the BIG.little, I read that the A7 core will only be active when the screen is off, so it doesn't have the stronger cores operating (atleast one of them might be active at a low freq.) when the screen is off. But we'll see once the test comes out how it compares to TI's M4's and others implementations.

As for Qualcomm, hopefully they wont stick with Krait for too long, because thats what gave ppl a bad taste in their mouths the past year because they stuck with Scorpion (A8/A9 class) for too long as others passed them up (mainly in the GPU side of it). The CPU held up against the other A9's, but the GPU was getting beat. Plus other things I don't feel like remembering, lol. But now, the tech fans are praising (which is funny after all the hate in 2011) Qualcomm again with the S4 release, and they rather have it over Tegra 3 (since its A15 class [strong CPU], 28nm [battery sipper/saver], and the GPU [Adreno 225] is on par with Tegra 3). But I suspect Qualcomm will be alright here on out. The CPU should hold up for awhile competing with other A15's, and Qualcomm has their next gen GPU coming in the 2nd half with the next S4, so they'll be fine in 2013, just hope they don't get comfortable like they did before S4.

As for the Sensation, it was because of Sense 3 and its low 768MB of RAM. Sense 3 was bloated. Sense 4 is more lightweight, and I think I read its code was rewrote and cleaned up. Another thing is the drivers that go along with the chip. I remember playing with the Tmo SGS2 and Amaze 4G. Both had the same S3 and same RAM. Samsung's TouchWiz UI was choppy, but the Amaze 4G was very smooth. The reason was Samsung didn't have time or was lazy to code the drivers and TW to make the UI smooth over the Qualcomm S3. The regular SGS2 with Exynos was well written for the UI and the chip. But that was mainly because Tmo wanted their SGS2 to be 42mbps HSPA+. Exynos 4210 maxes out @ 21 mbps HSPA+ (which isn't bad), and S3 was the only chip at the time that reaches 42 HSPA+. So Samsung had to make TW compatible with Qualcomm's S3 chip, but they probably didn't have enough time, or was lazy to optimize the code/drivers for the S3. I don't blame them really since they don't normally use Qualcomm SoC.

Sorry for rambling so much, :P
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April 16, 2012, 07:42:44 pm
No worries JHop. Good to have someone to talk to about this stuff. Not many people from the earlier days around the forums it seems. So what are you gonna replace your g2 with :-)

what do you think of the upcoming rumored g3? I hope tmobile has a 720p device soon. Would be cool if it went back to htc roots!
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No worries JHop. Good to have someone to talk to about this stuff. Not many people from the earlier days around the forums it seems. So what are you gonna replace your g2 with :-)

what do you think of the upcoming rumored g3? I hope tmobile has a 720p device soon. Would be cool if it went back to htc roots!

Yea its weird. I have no clue what happened. It was very active in 2010. Early 2011 was the start of the fall. One reason was the AT&T & Tmo thing early last year. But the blog is live and well with many comments tho.

As for my G2, I don't know yet. I'm unemployed right now. But as for a phone I want, it has to have a nice 720p screen around 4.3" and a dual-core A15 SoC. That's my hard set requirements, plus a nice design also.

What I think of the next G3? Nothing. There is no good leaks on it yet, so I don't think about the rumor(s) on it right now. But yea, hopefully it does stick with HTC. GX never left HTC tho other than the GXx part of it, and the myTouch line. But my I wont get the G3 anyways because I'm leaving keyboard devices anyways. All the droll worthy phones have mostly been non-kb the past couple years.


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May 04, 2012, 12:42:58 pm
After the exynos 4412 quad 32nm in the SGSIII announced yesterday, I don't know how Samsung neglects their LTE integration as well as their hspa+ radio development. I don't have hope that they can compete against qualcomm. It also appears from rumors that the us LTE models will probably have qualcomm s4. Shame I can't use a exynos here in the us with lte or even 42mbps hspa+. Or maybe I read it wrong and Europe only supports 21mbps hspa+?

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May 05, 2012, 01:53:47 am
After the exynos 4412 quad 32nm in the SGSIII announced yesterday, I don't know how Samsung neglects their LTE integration as well as their hspa+ radio development. I don't have hope that they can compete against qualcomm. It also appears from rumors that the us LTE models will probably have qualcomm s4. Shame I can't use a exynos here in the us with lte or even 42mbps hspa+. Or maybe I read it wrong and Europe only supports 21mbps hspa+?

I'm sure Samsung will either have a updated version of the latest Exynos 4, or is saving improved radio support in Exynos 5 series. But the Qualcomm S4 is no slouch tho. Won't be mad if the US SGS3 has it.


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