Google argues w/ MPAA/RIAA

If this passes I would be very angry. MPAA/RIAA should have never been created in the first place.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/22/the-protect-ip-act-googles-eric-schmidt-squares-off-against-ri/

People shouldn't be copying an artist's song to whoever they want for free and ignore someones property, but they should not become like china, how they get rid of any site they dislike.

Well the way prices are for things these days I would understand why someone wouldn't want to pay.

MPAA/RIAA should have never been created in the first place.

Somebody should take your property and give it to others for free and see how you like it.

Well the way prices are for things these days I would understand why someone wouldn't want to pay.

High prices are not a good justification for stealing from other people. 

Google has been making money off of other people's copyrighted works on YouTube for way too long.  They are scum.  They do not pay for the content that is aired.  Music videos, clips from TV shows, etc.  They tell the artists if you let us know we'll take it down, but we're not going to police our stuff. 

Radio stations pay royalties for the songs they play.  Even Pandora pays their share.  But not that scum Schmidt and YouTube.  TV stations have to get the rights to air television shows.  But google doesn't care, they broadcast whatever they please.  If the government threatened to shut YouTube down, you'd see how quickly Sergey Brin figures out how to keep copyrighted works off of YouTube.

MPAA/RIAA should have never been created in the first place.

Somebody should take your property and give it to others for free and see how you like it.

Well the way prices are for things these days I would understand why someone wouldn't want to pay.

High prices are not a good justification for stealing from other people. 

Google has been making money off of other people's copyrighted works on YouTube for way too long.  They are scum.  They do not pay for the content that is aired.  Music videos, clips from TV shows, etc.  They tell the artists if you let us know we'll take it down, but we're not going to police our stuff. 

Radio stations pay royalties for the songs they play.  Even Pandora pays their share.  But not that scum Schmidt and YouTube.  TV stations have to get the rights to air television shows.  But google doesn't care, they broadcast whatever they please.  If the government threatened to shut YouTube down, you'd see how quickly Sergey Brin figures out how to keep copyrighted works off of YouTube.

MPAA/RIAA just gets in the way of peoples freedom to open internet. If somebody uploads copyrighted material they take it down just like most others do. I wouldn't be saying this if this hasn't happened to me. This is one of my issues. I upload an artists clip on youtube and it won't post or it is down in minutes. I wouldn't care if someone is passing their copy of my copyrighted material to a friend. I feel I should not have control over what they can or can not give their friends. But they could lower the price standard instead of having a make believe system that each year they should get year because we need a higher profit. As long as your making money thats good enough. Radio stations shouldn't have to pay royal anything. Not anything extra at all. They should pay what everyone else pays and everyone should get dibs first.

Now youtube should pay out to the people if their videos end up being a hit. I have heard that some people have gotten paid but its really not that much that it should be.

If somebody uploads copyrighted material they take it down just like most others do.

I can find tons of copyrighted material that hasn't been taken down.  Google makes profit off of this, and they don't give the artists a dime.

I wouldn't care if someone is passing their copy of my copyrighted material to a friend.

Maybe your copyrighted material isn't worth two cents.  But if you're a professional artist, you are entitled to the copyright of your work.  That is the LAW.

But they could lower the price standard

The artist can lower the price to whatever they want.  It's their choice.  Or they can raise their price.  

As long as your making money thats good enough.

Who are you to say what's enough.  You have no say.

Radio stations shouldn't have to pay royal anything. Not anything extra at all.

Well they do pay.  They play other people's music, which attracts listeners for their commercials which they make money off of.  If they don't want to pay for music, they can hire a guy to talk/talk/talk all day and not pay for any music at all.  It's their choice.

If somebody uploads copyrighted material they take it down just like most others do.

I can find tons of copyrighted material that hasn't been taken down.  Google makes profit off of this, and they don't give the artists a dime.

I wouldn't care if someone is passing their copy of my copyrighted material to a friend.

Maybe your copyrighted material isn't worth two cents.  But if you're a professional artist, you are entitled to the copyright of your work.  That is the LAW.

But they could lower the price standard

The artist can lower the price to whatever they want.  It's their choice.  Or they can raise their price.  

As long as your making money thats good enough.

Who are you to say what's enough.  You have no say.

Radio stations shouldn't have to pay royal anything. Not anything extra at all.

Well they do pay.  They play other people's music, which attracts listeners for their commercials which they make money off of.  If they don't want to pay for music, they can hire a guy to talk/talk/talk all day and not pay for any music at all.  It's their choice.

Are you talking about VEVO?

No. I go to search for a video of something I want to see and end up with either a bunch of taken down links in the US or its just not searchable. If I find what i'm looking for the usual place to find it is in China or Japan or maybe some other country.

No even if I had copyrighted material and was selling to make money. I wouldn't care what they did with the material once they got it. Does pirating actually make you lose alot of profit?

Thats the answer I expected regarding "Who are you to say what's enough. You have no say" this world has become soo greedy & selfish over green and competition that they don't care how much the economy is hurting. They know the customers are vulnerable to things and will pay to go broke for it. They race every year to beat their last years profit and it will eventually lead to the consumers being more in the debt and the businesses making even more money. But there will be a point when the profits will halt because prices will get so high no one will be able to afford hardly nothing because they are already having trouble paying rent & their bills because costs there went up to and have not received enough of a raise at their job or a raise in whatever income they receive.

Don't you ever get tired of being broke(consumer) while the businesses are practically rich?

Pirating does make the artist/company lose money. If one person spends $1 on a song, they get $1. Now, if they share that with ten people, guess what, the record company/artist just lost $10. Obviously those numbers are much higher, causing a big drop in profits.

And on sites like YouTube, Youtube specifically says they should not be violating copyright, etc. After they say that, it's not their fault what is uploaded and who makes $ off of it. YouTube does police to an extent, because of audio matching. They're a hub for uploading videos, they police to an extent even AFTER stating in the rules that it can't be violating copyright laws, etc. That is pretty fair.

I'm not gonna say I'm above everyone else, i've downloaded "free" music before. I don't do it regularly, though. I've done it a few times - I just listen to pandora/grooveshark.

Radio stations should be paying the most. Think about it, they provide free music to a potential of millions of people. Radio stations in NYC can be broadcasted to NYC, NJ, NY, etc. Paying a fee for the licensing is (almost) generous, considering the potential for listeners.

I will agree the MPAA/RIAA can go overboard sometimes, but they should be there. If they feel the need to close down sites that have free music on them, I guess we can say bye to mediafire, youtube, 4shared, etc. If they need to go after someone, go after the people distributing it. Going after a few downloaders and the websites isn't gonna make a difference.

That's my 2 cents

And on sites like YouTube, Youtube specifically says they should not be violating copyright, etc. After they say that, it's not their fault what is uploaded and who makes $ off of it.

Please.  First of all, THEY are the ones making money off of it.  Second of all, we're not talking about an internet start-up here.  They are Google and they have the advanced technology to organize a search engine.  For a company with their wherewithal it would be so easy to exclude copyrighted items that are being posted.  You have to be somewhat accurate in naming the video for people to find it anyway.  And if people can find it, Google can find it. 

But they do not care about artist rights or the amount of money that production companies spend on products.  They sell advertisements on the site and keep it all for themselves.  Let's say that it takes them awhile for them to remove a Lady GaGa video and there was over 100,000 views.  Well they know who Gaga is and how many people watched it, send her a check. 

Are you talking about VEVO?

No VEVO is properly licensed.  I'm talking about YouTube.

No even if I had copyrighted material and was selling to make money. I wouldn't care what they did with the material once they got it.

You wouldn't care if you got less money than you should have.  How about if you spent $100 at a grocery store and after you paid I took $50 worth from your cart---would you care about that?

Does pirating actually make you lose alot of profit?

Yes of course.  Look at what the music industry made before the mp3 revolution and what they make today.  It's not even remotely comparable.  A lot of new music is crap today because there's not enough incentive for good musicians to work as hard to make good music.  There's no possible big payday.

They know the customers are vulnerable to things and will pay to go broke for it.

How about customer start managing their money properly so they don't go broke?  Where's the customers responsibility??  Blaming others for your troubles is a long road down. 

it will eventually lead to the consumers being more in the debt

Not if the consumers don't borrow.  If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

Don't you ever get tired of being broke(consumer) while the businesses are practically rich?

First of all, I manage my money well so I'm not broke.  And second, large businesses provide things that couldn't be provided if they weren't around.  Look at all of the things that you use and depend on daily and ask yourself could a small mom and pop business have produced that at the same price?  The answer is usually no. 

Thats how all video sharing sites work in all countries. I've been too many of em.

I see that as a different story. You should ask before you take the $50 of groceries but I may be generous and say yes.

That still doesn't help the economy at all. Companies would think by now if we lower our prices many more would purchase our product and could even give us an increase. Price of gas is what now? Don't you think it should be the more gas is worth the lower the price but no the more shares put into the stock market the higher it gets. In order to actually get companies to lower prices everyone has to participate including state & federal they need to lower taxes as well w/o decreasing minimum wage.

Definition of business - "the purchase and sale of goods in an attempt to make a profit."

When you're a business - not a non profit or charity - the aim is to make money. I'm sorry, but if that grocery cart was a business, they're not there to give away half their assets/profits, they're there to double those assets/profits to $200. If all the food in there was some original work made by them, and it was patented, and sold for $5 each, and they sold 20 items, i don't think they would want to sell 40, and not increase profits- by doing that they'd lose profits.
Also, no, I'm not tired of businesses making large amounts of money, more than the consumer. The consumer is able to open a business and someday become a billionaire..i That is what makes us so great, we're competitive, and strive to be the best and in our society that includes getting the most money (at least in the business side of the things)
I'm all for charity, and not being shallow and only caring about money, but as far as BUSINESS go thats how it works. They're not there to share.

I don't think the govt should be going after sites like mediafire that people have uploaded copyrighted content on to, though. They need to target the uploaders..a new site will always be made. A new person isn't always gonna be made though.

Well there goes world peace from ever happening. How much did Verizon make last year? 63.4 billion. Wow wish I had that much money. They could really lower prices a bit. Can you agree?

Yeah they are expensive but compared to lets say Tmo they offer a 3G network thats probably more than tmobiles voice coverage and LTE. I do believe they should lower their prices a little, but as far as business goes, they're doing well..very well. I don't think a BUSINESS should be making similar to a person's "profits". They built their empire, and as long as Verizon is keeping competition healthy, good for them to make 63b

Thats just the revenue they made well over 200b. The point i'm trying to make is care more about the consumers than the businesses. Make our wallets a lil easier. I think the prices on many things these days are not even worth the value of the products being sold.

Well there goes world peace from ever happening.

What does world peace have to do with good business?  Nothing. 

How much did Verizon make last year? 63.4 billion. Wow wish I had that much money.

Stop wishing and start producing products that people will pay for.  Nobody is forced to buy Verizon service.  They produce products or service that people want and in exchange people pay them.  Simple. 

They could really lower prices a bit. Can you agree?

No, they should charge whatever the market will bear to maximize profit for their shareholders.  That's their duty as executives for their company. 

^ Thank you!!! I agree 100% jet. Stop complaining if you don't have a multi billion dollar business. They have a strong competitive product that people want.

Well there goes world peace from ever happening.

What does world peace have to do with good business?  Nothing. 

How much did Verizon make last year? 63.4 billion. Wow wish I had that much money.

Stop wishing and start producing products that people will pay for.  Nobody is forced to buy Verizon service.  They produce products or service that people want and in exchange people pay them.  Simple. 

They could really lower prices a bit. Can you agree?

No, they should charge whatever the market will bear to maximize profit for their shareholders.  That's their duty as executives for their company. 

If I produced products i'd at least care about the person buying them and not just their money. Thats the sad thing people do need them.

You can't have world peace when businesses aren't truthful. AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal for example. Stephenson lied. One element of world peace is no lying only be honest. Everyone has to be honest.

So have u gone broke before?

If I produced products i'd at least care about the person buying them and not just their money. Thats the sad thing people do need them.

So start a business and produce some products or services.  Once you run a business, then you'll see how many responsibilities you have and how good you have to be just to keep your company in business.  It's easy to say what you would do if you were running the show.  But if you've never tried to run the show, I would encourage you to try.  You have responsibilities to your employees, to your creditors, to your customers and even to the government.  It's quite a trick to do that and make a profit too. 

AT&T/T-Mobile merger deal for example. Stephenson lied.

There's no evidence of him lying. 

So have u gone broke before?

Sure. 

There was evidence of him lying or he wouldn't have gotten yelled at. They had quotes of what he had said before and it conflicted with what he was saying now. When Rundall Stephenson lies he makes a certain noise with his throat.

How do you know what noise he makes when he lies..? A business can care about the consumer but only to make a profit. But they can also just try to make a profit. The bottom line is making money. If you aren't in it for money, its not a business. Its a nonprofit.