Tmobile G2 Unrootable???

Google is an app developer, they get help from public on some of their apps & has their own pre-set of apps just like anyone does. Unlike the rest there is an open community to report issues & such & their SDK, APIs are available publicly.

Symbian is apart of the same community, so is maemo & it is worked by Nokia they also do the same things. It isnt really closed like ppl think.

Manufacturers & the carrier do things to the handset. They are the ones to load the bloatware. Google has to have some control since Android is theirs to Nokia has Symbian/Maemo.

Well, again as I said before, Android is in a somewhat similar situation to Maemo and Symbian.  Maemo is limited to Nokia, Symbian is not.  However, both Maemo and Symbian are in some ways more open than Android.  

MeeGo is a different animal from Android, a totally open true mobile Linux distro, hosted by the Linux Foundation.  When it becomes to market it will be easily the most powerful, flexible mobile OS available, just as Maemo is now.

Basically, my point is that Android is not as open as they want everyone to think it is.  'Do no evil' is just a marketing slogan now, not a way of doing business.  Google is no particular friend to anyone.  Certainly not giving me any warm fuzzy feelings.  I had to hold my nose while ordering that G2 for my wife, nice as it is.  

The company has to set some kind of rules even on an open source.

thats exactly how it works. Its open. the changes to the OS are up to the manufacture and the carrier.

It may be open before the manufacturer gets a hold of it, but how does that help the consumer?

Did you not see what Viper posted:

Manufacturer(HTC) -------------

Mainframe OS            Test ROM; Customizations of                                         
                              Software/Hardware/Look; Helps                                     
                              Create Radio; SPL; Listens to Carrier                                 
                              Requests for Customize of Software/Lock
                              Down Features

Carrier (T-Mobile USA)

                                      Creates its own apps; can
                                      Lockdown features;

Google is claiming it's open while they give both the manufacturer and the carrier tools to lock everything down.  It's completely false advertising to say it's open.

Please see the posts from Crashdamage for the actual facts on what is open and what isn't. 

Google isnt giving the tools. its the manufacturer who usually has a license for the OS that can make it necessary to lock things down w/ the cooperation of the peripherals companies.

Google isnt giving the tools. its the manufacturer who usually has a license for the OS that can make it necessary to lock things down w/ the cooperation of the peripherals companies.

Google is the one doing the licensing.  As part of the agreement, they could state that the manufacturer and carriers do not have permission to make those modifications which lock things down.  Google chooses to let them do as they please, so yes, Google is giving them the tools to lock down the devices before giving them to the consumer. 

They cant do that. If that happens then they could lose business. Google, Nokia have to have their own private developers for the mainframe OS because when they release the OS to the mainstream audience you have to make sure it isnt going to crash crash crash.