UPDATE: Nexus does not have a dedicated GPU- Technically it does

This is the same thing that happened with the droid. Everyone going hoopla over the phone. Like i said before and i will say again in the current android market there is no need for a dedicated GPU yet. the way technology progresses by the time android have awesome games there will be a device to support it. I had the N900 and loved it but the bugs in it are unbearable to me until the next firmware update then i will probably jump back on the bandwagon or wait for Maemo 6 and this device looks worth the wait. I play my Xbox most of the time and if I'm traveling listen to music rather than play games on my phone because it will kill the batter nonetheless. For those seeking a non-gaming android device with speed go with this , however if you going to know for a fact you will be getting this on contract and prefer to wait then wait to each his/her own.

Well if your seeking a phone as a gaming device then may we one day meet so I can laugh at you in person lol. Jimbo was asking in general but you were referring mostly to the N900 so should have made that a bit clearer. HtC Diamond I believe and Touch Pro screen sucks thogh and WM has a nice UI but when the performance overall is lacking it takes away from everything else.

The advantage of having the option of precise fingernail (or stylus) input is big.  For example, the N900's MicroB browser (Mozilla) renders full desktop webpages, not the crippled mobile versions.  Fingernail input makes using those much easier, with far less zooming required to hit links with your finger.

Android renders just as good if not better web results.  My G1, myTouch, and Nexus One all solve this problem with the trackball, which I greatly prefer for navigating web links on non mobile sites.  I definitely do get your point though and would love the chance to actually try the N900 as it sounds second to none on the resistive front.

you're phone has a lot less pixels to pump out. Its not really a good comparison to use the G1 and the N1.

The difference is the resolution and the fact that other android phone have a lower resolution then others and sports less pixels which but 480x800 vs 480x320. I can't explain it well myself but other than that did anyone ever think that the other apps running plus live wallpapers had something to do with it?

There's a good question about the resolution actually.  I have been hearing non stop about how it is just like the Droid, 480x800, but the review I just read from Nexus One Blog seems to say it is 480x720.  Either way, that makes tons of sense about the N1 rendering way more pixels than my phone, assuming this app is designed to run on that resolution and the screen is not upconverting.  Does anyone know for sure that the resolution is 800 and not 720?

Great discussion here- kudos to all- even the ones slamming me- since I sometimes deserve it  

1.  Best balanced chipset for 3D ATM is the 3430 that is in the new iPhone and N900.  Has both a dedicated DSP and GPU.  I was not joking when I posted that I wished the N900 hardware had an Android 2.0 version along with Maemo.

2.  Snapdragon leverages clock cycles to make up for weaker 3D feature set.  Catch is the 8250 runs hot above 700mhz.  The chip was more designed for tablet form factors rather than phones (in regards to running at higher mhz).

3.  Like others have mentioned, I too would have bought the Nexus if it had a keyboard, since my beloved G1 is getting a bit long in the tooth.  I never did the app2sd thing, since I would use a second microsd for movies.  Needed to do this, since game roms and Southpark episodes took up the space on main card

4.  I was not ranting except that I wished the Nexus had a keyboard (big time rant there, since I see the trend and it is not kind for Android keyboard devices).

5.  Rant two  The Nexus has the microsd card behind the battery like Droid does.  Very inconvenient if you swap cards like I did for the G1, but not a frequent issue in my case.  HD2 has similar form factor and the card is not blocked by the battery on that device.

6.  As far as the resistive screen on the N900, it is very sensitive and I like the precision option of a stylus.  Some Flash content is easier to work with using a stylus, as well as Flash games and PC game ports need it too (for some mouse functions).

7.  I have a G1, N900 and used the Droid for two weeks.  The N900 destroys the G1 and Droid in regards to web content due to Flash, but the playing field will be equal in about seven months or so- IF you have a newer chipset like the 3430 and 8250.  Flash will not perform as good on the 7200 series chipset in most current Android devices.

BTW, based on the 3D performance of the 8250 (Nexus), I doubt it will play Quake 3 as smooth as the 3430 (N900) does.  Quake 3 plays very smooth with sound on the N900.  Duke Nukem does too, but is of course a pseudo 3D game (2D).  Respectfully, people that say the 8250 is a better chipset for 3D than the 3430 have not read the specs.

As far as general purpose and the fact that the 8250 has a great DSP for movies (assuming HTC had drivers made to use it) I would have been happy with a keyboard version Nexus.  Most game emulators do not need the 3D anyway- need clock cycles.

I agree, the discussions here have been clean and productive. If one compares these 2 videos:

1. Electopia, a 3d game for the Snapdragon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCwtOioGR8c

2. Bounce Evolution, a 3d game for the N900: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6JfxdWg0HI

The environments from both games are similar and it's clear that the N900 has much richer textures and better lighting.
One could make a argument that opengl 2.0 can do better on the N1.

 The game mystique has been on the market for a while now, one has to play it before judging android's gaming ability.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkQpw-DgrU0

 The biggest incentive for better software is customer base. More people on android, more rea$ons to try sell them apps and compete with others. Ultimately, if people switch to android for other reasons, gaming will improve as well. It could still end up being inferior on the Snapdragon platform. It's the size of customer base that pushes the limits though. 

I believe we have the same view on android for the most part but remember when you doubted emulators buddy and how that turned out? I bet the next android device you get will be the same one I will be purchasing. I believe while posting rushmore you've been proven wrong about games on android once again lol. I don't care for games on my phone other than to pass the time but some want iphone level games.

I believe we have the same view on android for the most part but remember when you doubted emulators buddy and how that turned out? I bet the next android device you get will be the same one I will be purchasing. I believe while posting rushmore you've been proven wrong about games on android once again lol. I don't care for games on my phone other than to pass the time but some want iphone level games.

Technically I was not wrong, since the emulators are not using the SDK in full, but skating around it with C++ and only using the SDK in places of the apps to prevent app compliance failure.  The devs for the emulators are geniuses.  If they used the SDK without C++ creativity, the apps would be weak.

Okay, I WAS wrong- from a purely binary perspective    VERY wrong in fact.  I must respectfully disagee about the phone game thing.  Nice to have it all in one device.  Between the G1 and N900, the perfect device exists.  That is why I have both

I did not say games on Nexus would suck, just that some people were raving about the 3D and graphics power of the device, when in reality it is using more CPU than true 3D execution and is not the best chipset option for a phone- the 3430 is.

A dual booting N900 would be cool

Update:

T-Mizzle, good point about Android gaining interest, but the problem still is apps space.  Even the Droids 256mb is too small when considering the better 3D games that have been release or are coming out take up almost 30mb each.  Not much room for games and apps.  Nexus has 512mb, but still not a lot.

App space will continue to be the constraint on commercial game development.
 

Good points again by Rushmore.  At this time, I think he and I probably agree the N900 has an unmatched combination of chipset, screen resolution and color in a pocket-size device.  Plus the N900 throws in goodies like TV out, FM radio/transmitter, 32GB storage, etc.  Quite a feature set.

Where we differ is the OS.  I'll take Maemo anytime.  Very glad to get away from Android.

I don't care for games on my phone other than to pass the time but some want iphone level games.

I don't care about games at all.  The reason it's interesting to see what gamers want/need is because that usually sets the standards for cutting edge hardware/software.  What gamers want now is what we'll all be wanting/needing soon.  It's the breeding ground for high performance computing like F1 or NASCAR is for cars.

Good points again by Rushmore.  At this time, I think he and I probably agree the N900 has an unmatched combination of chipset, screen resolution and color in a pocket-size device.  Plus the N900 throws in goodies like TV out, FM radio/transmitter, 32GB storage, etc.  Quite a feature set.

Where we differ is the OS.  I'll take Maemo anytime.  Very glad to get away from Android.

I don't care for games on my phone other than to pass the time but some want iphone level games.

I don't care about games at all.  The reason it's interesting to see what gamers want/need is because that usually sets the standards for cutting edge hardware/software.  What gamers want now is what we'll all be wanting/needing soon.  It's the breeding ground for high performance computing like F1 or NASCAR is for cars.

I prefer Maemo too, but miss:

1.  Portrait mode function
2.  Voice search
3.  Google Maps integrated (Ovi maps is weak in comparison)
4.  MMS pictures
5.  Shopsavvy
6.  Shazaam
7.  Android's emulators blow the current Maemo ones away AND Android has a Turbografx app now too

For now at least, the G1 is a better smartphone for me.  N900 is my killa' netbook and media player

Very good point:

"What gamers want now is what we'll all be wanting/needing soon.  It's the breeding ground for high performance computing like F1 or NASCAR is for cars."

Rushmore we will see more improvements for both platforms and soon there will be more handsets with a keyboard so I'll be here to welcome you back with a in depth look and a didn't take long now did it lol.

i think the n900 shows where nokia can "go" if they decide to really develop maemo. they have made no qualms about saying the n900 isn't a mainstream device and imo is a reason why tmobile probably won't pick it up. i am interested in getting one but i'd like to wait for a firmware update or 2 to let them enable mms, configure more portrait mode and some other bugs i have read about.

Rushmore we will see more improvements for both platforms and soon there will be more handsets with a keyboard so I'll be here to welcome you back with a in depth look and a didn't take long now did it lol.

Yep, catch is will we see a keyboard Android device that works on Tmo 3G?  Anybody seeing one for 2010?

But what do you guys think about the SE Experia getting into the mix? It looks incredible, but they might have to hold off on the release until the N1 buzz dies down a bit. I'd love to get one in my hands to play with before committing to an N1 or the N900. The specs look great!

just got off the phone with a t-mobile rep she told me the nexus one is a confirmed phone ready to launch on the 5th pricing won't be available till later tomorrow makes me so happy to know ill be getting my hands on one with my available full upgrade
anyone else belive this

just got off the phone with a t-mobile rep she told me the nexus one is a confirmed phone ready to launch on the 5th pricing won't be available till later tomorrow makes me so happy to know ill be getting my hands on one with my available full upgrade
anyone else belive this

Sorry to burst your bubble on this one but she was lying.  She doesn't know.  She reads sites like this and is guessing just like we are based on this information.  Trust me when I say these online blogs know about stuff long before the every day Joe Blow T-Mobile rep does.  If T-Mobile was telling reps this info, some of them would've sent it to this site, including screen shots from their internal announcement systems like we all saw the other day about an "unknown" Google device.

really that Feen sucks since i got a full upgrade right now but its like something tmobile offered me for being a loyal coustomer so does that mean i wont be able to get nexus one on launch date?

really that Feen sucks since i got a full upgrade right now but its like something tmobile offered me for being a loyal coustomer so does that mean i wont be able to get nexus one on launch date?

Let me see if I understand you correctly before answering.  Are you saying that you aren't technically eligible for a full upgrade, but T-Mobile has promised to give you those prices anyway when you are ready to ugprade?

really that Feen sucks since i got a full upgrade right now but its like something tmobile offered me for being a loyal coustomer so does that mean i wont be able to get nexus one on launch date?

I think what he was trying to say is take what he or she said with a grain of salt in regards to the Nexus One and from my knowledge they haven't been crossed trained on the device at all and being how I'm a former agent they only know what tmobile decided to tell them via streamline which most don't read out of being tardy or just don't care. One thing that should be pointed out lis that the Jan 5th launch date is a rumor, it might only be available to a select few at first, if your eligible for a full upgrade then when the Nexus iis available then you will be able to get it (of course that means getting the rumored specific rate plan and the other agreements)

technically i should have one since i already did a full upgrade in november but since i been with them for 10 years and i want a new phone they gave me  full upgrade and said i can take advantage when ever but its only from them so if i went to 3rd store i may not get it and from what i herd only google will be selling the phone

technically i should have one since i already did a full upgrade in november but since i been with them for 10 years and i want a new phone they gave me  full upgrade and said i can take advantage when ever but its only from them so if i went to 3rd store i may not get it and from what i herd only google will be selling the phone

Google will be selling the phone for $530 and it will be $180 from tmobile upon release until further notice.