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Project Black (this will bring in so many customers)
3 (2.8%)
Project Red (This will be a total flop, based on the current rate plans; I'm not changing plans)
68 (63%)
"It may not leapfrog them into 3rd place, but the prices are still better than the other 3 national networks"
37 (34.3%)

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Voting closed: October 27, 2009, 01:13:22 pm

Author Topic: T-Mobile's "Project Dark"  (Read 137470 times)

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October 09, 2009, 01:04:50 pm
Sorry multi-touch is NOT a game changer.

Not buying it.  Sounds like an echo of the original rumor with a little store level articulation to give it some cred.

I think the biggy is "Mulit"-Touch and they will rename the Cliq "Buford" and the Behold 2 "Remus".

Do not doubt me on this :o

Multi-touch might not be, but Mulit (ie Mullet) Touch would be!

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October 09, 2009, 01:15:22 pm
Whats the difference?

Sorry multi-touch is NOT a game changer.

Not buying it.  Sounds like an echo of the original rumor with a little store level articulation to give it some cred.

I think the biggy is "Mulit"-Touch and they will rename the Cliq "Buford" and the Behold 2 "Remus".

Do not doubt me on this :o

Multi-touch might not be, but Mulit (ie Mullet) Touch would be!

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October 09, 2009, 01:19:16 pm
Well, loyalty is already $45 + data and texts. Im hoping this plan pans out. If I can get all that for $50 on my BB and soon the BB 9700 I would be thrilled. I think its plausible becuase ATT is launching a $60 unlimited text + voice plan on Oct. 12th.
That's only prepaid. And what no one seems to want to mention is that, while T-Mobile 2 Go allows roaming (ie you get the same complete network that TMO offers their postpaid subs), ATT GoPhone gives you LESS coverage because it doesn't roam. Period. T-Mobile's deal would be 10x better all around.
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October 09, 2009, 01:41:43 pm
Sorry multi-touch is NOT a game changer.

Not buying it.  Sounds like an echo of the original rumor with a little store level articulation to give it some cred.

I think the biggy is "Mulit"-Touch and they will rename the Cliq "Buford" and the Behold 2 "Remus".

Do not doubt me on this :o

Multi-touch might not be, but Mulit (ie Mullet) Touch would be!

That is what I meant (hence the quotes and the mullet-like names), but tried to be too cute and just switch the letters this time.  I have made this joke before in the forum.

Mullet touch WOULD be a game-changer.  They could give these Android tweener phones away free at truck-pulls and paylake fishing events.  Perhaps Friday night stock car races too.  Heck, give em away with hotdogs:  "Buy a weiner and get a free Android Tmo tweener- Now with Mullet Touch!!!!"

NOW who sounds silly??  :o  Who needs Moment or Sholes now- huh?  I thought so!  :)
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October 09, 2009, 01:58:56 pm
I just don’t think a rate plan will suddenly catapult them into 3rd place. First they are going to eat away at their own profits. I for one will be calling into to switch my plan over to the $50 plan. Plus, how long would Verizon/ATT sit on the fence before they offer a similar plan? It can’t be a merger. It takes months before the SEC would approve a merger.

It has to be something that will give them a competitive advantage that no-one else can match for which I have no idea. For now I’m leaning towards a 4g rollout , competitive pricing plan and announcement of an pending device.

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October 09, 2009, 02:03:38 pm
If its a cheap unlimited plan I really hope it would include smartphones! :D

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October 09, 2009, 02:13:18 pm
Haha everyones all tense and stuff, its funny.  :-X


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October 09, 2009, 02:14:00 pm
new Apple phone.... coming

unlimited rate plans coming

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October 09, 2009, 02:17:44 pm
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October 09, 2009, 02:32:11 pm
new Apple phone.... coming

unlimited rate plans coming
Why do you keep saying that? Do you have any proof?
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October 09, 2009, 02:40:17 pm
new Apple phone.... coming

unlimited rate plans coming
Why do you keep saying that? Do you have any proof?
Yea hes starting to piss me off right now.....Let him keep it up.
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October 09, 2009, 02:45:30 pm
Oh yes T1, acting all tuff.

Your as harmless as a frosted cupcake  :-X

jk man.

Lyfe on the other hand... hes a professional badass, watch out.

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October 09, 2009, 02:54:45 pm
Idk rob im a pretty big dude......but let get back the situation at hand...bgr says they have a tip and its now posted on tmonews blog that it is in fact a rapid network expansion...with a couple of new handsets built in.
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October 09, 2009, 03:15:40 pm
The bottom line is this,
We can all sit here and speculate all we want, but T-mobile has a lot of great things going for them.

1. The launching of multiple 3G devices (including our 1st 3G blackberry)
2. The rolling out of 3G coverage to new areas every week
3. Award-winning Customer service that makes our Competition envious
4. 21Mbps HSPA+ rollout in Philadelphia, nationwide by 2010

Knowing all this, anything else that comes from "Project Dark" it is clearly a win for T-mobile regardless if its a merger ( as long as it ain't sprint ), an iphone or some low-ball unlimited plan - It will clearly do what it's intended to do and draw attention to T-mobile in a time where Sprint is hurting, AT&T’s network is suffering and their customer satisfaction declining. 

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October 09, 2009, 03:22:49 pm
Well, I know a thing about non-disclosure agreements, the Company would not do that unless secrecy is important.  So this is all about more than T-Mo, for example, getting a 3G or 4G Blackberry.

IMHO the standard for significance is not what might be analyzed as "earth shaking" by geeks, people on these forums, and other "non-consumers," it's what would make the nightly news and all the cable channels.

Using my "what makes the news" standard:

1.  A handset launch would not be news.  Unless some device technology exists that no one knows about (doubtful since it seems everyone on the Net knows what is in concept, design, manufacture/production and upcoming).

And unless a device can teleport users to any location on earth, I suspect people are burned out on device launches (because nothing is that remarkable nowadays)?

2.  4G would not be news.  The public does not understand it so they don't care.

3.  A merger would not be news (and more significantly probably not require employees to sign NDAs).  Mergers a yawn to consumers.  They could care less.

4.  Selling the iPhone (oh please, T-Mo selling a phone that has been on the market for two years, that's not news nor earth shaking.  Besides, T-Mo in Europe has been selling unlocked iPhones, check it out on the German and UK T-Mo sites).

5.  Anyone mentioning multi-touch or other insignificant features, that kind of stuff is not understood by the consumer so such things are not newsworthy (and certainly would not require employees to sign NDAs).

In my opinion the only event that would make all the news channels is T-Mo lowering ALL its plans down to Metro PCS rates.  

That would be big news because that's what happens when the airlines get into price wars.  When one carrier lowers rates, the other carriers are forced to follow suit.  More relevant here, that's what gets covered in the news.

A few years ago I said that eventually the carriers would all move to unlimited talk and data plans; prices for each would be lowered as competition forced each of them to "meet or beat to compete or be left behind."  (That's a silly phrase, I know, just humor me.)

What kind of numbers would make the news?

Unlimited talk - $40

Unlimited data - $15 a line

Unlimited talk, data, texting - $60

No more "so many minutes for so many dollars."

This makes sense because T-Mo has no doubt calculated the profits from an across the board, high customer count, rate plans.

Also, a company can save a ton of money by lowering bookkeeping and accounting costs.  No more calculations, charges and statements dealing with complicated billings.

Lastly, the carriers are tanking.  Profits are way down.  Something needs to be done besides introduction of flashy handsets.  In any event, people are not buying handsets, at least not like they used to.  People are holding on to what they have. (Query: I have not noticed any carrier or handset manufacturer bragging about handset sales, especially when a new model comes out.  Is this because handset sales are way down, across the board?)

So all this, IMHO, leaves plan pricing. It's the only "event" that makes sense and would make the news.

A major carrier switching EVERYTHING to LOWER flat-rate unlimited pricing would be news.  

Bonus thought:  Maybe to generate handset sales (remember, IMHO people are not buying them like they used to, no matter the technology) they might ALSO introduce permanent flat-rate handset prices ($99 for "standard" handsets; $200 for "premium" handsets.)
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October 09, 2009, 03:25:52 pm
If this is true about the rate plan or rate plans, it would be strongly suggested not to force a contract. If they want to snatch customers from MetroPCS, Cricket, and the rest, they would be in their best interest not to force a contract. The prepaid carriers don't know what a contract means.

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October 09, 2009, 03:33:51 pm
But what about MULLET TOUCH?!  

Yeah, that's right.  Let me hear some of you talk smack to me.  These hands are lethal weapons- especially when they have a full beer in each hand :o. I'll sick my chihuahua on you!  Ruff!

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October 09, 2009, 03:37:13 pm
I called Tmobile today and asked about an unlimited data plan for family cheaper than sprint and the rep was kinda sketchy and she seemed kinda in a hurry to get off the topic.

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October 09, 2009, 03:38:06 pm


definitely sounds plausible but when we have an "everything" plan like this, does that include the internet for android devices and BB device and such?

I doubt it, and there's the problem for T-Mobile's power users.  T-Mobile is going to put their resources into grabbing customers from Boost, Cricket and Metro PCS with an unlimited dumbphone plan.  Meanwhile the power user is going to end up with no price break and still have to deal with inferior devices when compared to AT&T and Verizon.

T-Mobile is NOT going to give up that $25-$35 smartphone data money.  That was one of the bright spots on their quarterly report.  And they've been fighting too hard to get that money with the 2 year commitment for smartphone data for example.

No, this is just going to be targeted at the low end carriers.  And since they don't offer smartphone data (for the most part) on their unlimited plan, neither will T-Mobile.

And T-Mobile's high paying customers can enjoy longer hold times to get through to customer service and longer lines in the stores as they will be filled with high maintenance customers trying to pay their bills... and all of the nonsense, you usually see at the typical Cricket store.  

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October 09, 2009, 03:50:49 pm
If this is true about the rate plan or rate plans, it would be strongly suggested not to force a contract. If they want to snatch customers from Metro PCS, Cricket, and the rest, they would be in their best interest not to force a contract. The prepaid carriers don't know what a contract means.

I didn't think of that one, going away from contract requirements. (Wasn't cable TV on a contract basis and they eventually got rid of it?  If they can do it so can mobile.)

A combo of flat-rate plans (low) and no contract, that would be industry and earth shaking.  They could include on the bulleted list item of changes, "these changes end the ETF and all existing customers can leave if they want, they will not have to pay an ETF."  

I could see your item added to the list as very newsworthy.  That would cause the other carriers to lose a lot of sleep.  T-Mo would be the carrier to have.  All the others would be relegated to the has-been pile.

And near as I can tell it takes a few years to make these kinds of changes because a company has to make significant internal changes to account for less revenue.  So the other carriers would be suffering for at least six months to a year.