I predict that some form of apps2sd will OTA before end of year

Here is my "logic"

1.  None of the phones releasing this year have much app memory
2.  That is a HUGE install base of constrained devices in regards to the ability to add apps
3.  Android install base represents a HUGE market potential for $ revenue $
4.  The Android business leaders obviously have both common and business sense that have to appreciate the device is constrained due to low memory
5.  The two key weaknesses of current Android devices compared to iPhone are app space and the lack of a 3.5mm jack
6.  The 3.5mm issue is going away since HTC is (for the most part) bailing on USB audio and Samsung Android devices have a 3.5 jack.
7.  The final gap with iPhone is the lack of app space.

No way Android maintains a constrained platform for app growth and allows iPhone to have this advantage for devs.  We will get some form of apps2sd before
the end of the year.  Bet on it.  

Man you guys are really hung up on this Android vs. iPhone thing aren't you.

I'm thinking about picking up a Hero whenever it makes its way over here.  Whether it's on at&t or Rogers, I'll probably pick one up.  It looks to be a winner regardless if it has the Apps to SD capability.  I hardly use any of my "big" apps anyway.  The majority of my phones space is taken up by music, not apps.

Not my hang-up, but Android and T-Mo are pushing the myTouch as an iPhone alternative.  Their PR and the devices chosen name kind of gives this away.

When you compare features, the OS for Android is better, but the hardware features are weak compared to iPhone.  This time next year, iPhone will have some true competition, since there will be more equal features.... unless iPhone opens up their OS too (Nah!).

Although I hope you are right I don't think its going to happen just my .02.

Why would Google have initially released the OS this way to begin with?  They obviously are smart and new ahead of time that this would cause issues....

Would be interesting to here from people as to why they think Google did this.

To release an open source type OS to the market with hardware that takes advantage of micro sd and then not allow the user to take advantage of the feature boggles the mind.

I too hope they wake up and allow apps to be moved over.

to everyone that thinks this is NOT going to happen...

keep in mind that the Nintendo Wii had the exact same problem, but was fixed with a firmware update like 2 years after the system came out. for some reason Nintendo gave the thing an SD card slot but all you could do with it was store pics, music and files on it, but you couldn't install downloadable VC/WiiWare games to it. then one day during a press conference they just boom, released a firmware update that unlocked the ability to do it.

so the point being, it WILL happen... just hopefully sooner than later. especially since there are no GOOD qwerty-based android's on the horizon to upgrade to.

Well, what if manufacturers just start throwing some HD space into their devices?  Would you still think it's coming?

HD storage would be awesome but did I mention I have 3G :-)

HD storage would be awesome but did I mention I have 3G :-)

So, when exactly are you getting 3G again?  ;P

to "ilovebeer" i do too... but manufacturers throwing HD space into their devices doesn't help us G1 owners. i just bought mine last month! so i'll be hoping for an official apps2sd situation, since i really don't believe there is any reason to switch phones more than once every 2 years (when your contract is up).

That's what I'm saying though, do you think that if handset manufacturers started putting actual HD space in their devices, Google would allow an apps2sd solution?  I mean, if the reason it doesnt exist right now is for fear of app sharing, and internal HD space was a way to solve the space issue and still maintain security.  Do you think Google would just go back on their policy?  I don't think they would.

Hey rushmore,
what happened to the doom and gloom you used to spread?  What changed your mind about android?  I really like the new rushmore.

Emulators!  Nice shiny emulators!  C++ is a nice way around most of the SDK constraints except for video and audio codecs.  That being said, there still may be a huge tsunami over the horizon called "lack of app space".  There is going to be a very big install base of devices that have low space for apps.  This will eventually constrain the market and Android growth.  They need to fix it ASAP.

Rooted community is a small fraction of the user base and will not drive growth of app market.

Edit : Weird, I spelled "tsunami", but spell check changed to "surname"... weird.

From an economics perspective, Android's market will slowly die in regards to commercial apps, because people do not have space.  Asphalt 3 is almost 14 megs installed for hecks sake.  You would at least think they would put most of the data on SD card like Doom does.  The company's will think the consumers do not want the apps and will slowly abandon Android when it is actually an issue of no space.  All things constant, I guarantee this will happen- how can it not?

Hey rushmore,
what happened to the doom and gloom you used to spread?  What changed your mind about android?  I really like the new rushmore.

 LOL, He has seen the light! At least for a little while..I agree I like this rushmore better as well hehe..But he is absolutely 100% correct, running out of space is going to kill the g1, mytouch, hell android in general..Lets look at it from T-Mobiles perspective as they want you to sign a new 2yr for the phones from them so they must fully expect the average consumer to go 2yrs with the phone, with all of 256 or 512 for storage thats a laugh. If they dont want apps to sd then they needed to release these phones with a minimum of 8gbs. I see the only solution as a OTA update that would make apps to sd happen, but we have pretty much been told that is not going to happen.

Hey rushmore,
what happened to the doom and gloom you used to spread?  What changed your mind about android?  I really like the new rushmore.

Then if its not going to happen whats the logic behind it?  Makes no sense but obviously they think it does!

 LOL, He has seen the light! At least for a little while..I agree I like this rushmore better as well hehe..But he is absolutely 100% correct, running out of space is going to kill the g1, mytouch, hell android in general..Lets look at it from T-Mobiles perspective as they want you to sign a new 2yr for the phones from them so they must fully expect the average consumer to go 2yrs with the phone, with all of 256 or 512 for storage thats a laugh. If they dont want apps to sd then they needed to release these phones with a minimum of 8gbs. I see the only solution as a OTA update that would make apps to sd happen, but we have pretty much been told that is not going to happen.