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Nokia Discussion / Re: Nokia 5230 Nuron - Apps Thread
« on: May 03, 2011, 01:22:15 am »
Opera Mobile
SPB TV
Sports Tracker
Internet Radio
Music Launcher
Google Maps

These are the basics I'd start off with. Pretty much covers web surfing to live radio/tv to sports performance to live traffic maps - basics of what most people use and need.

Aside from these, you can surf Ovi based on what you're interested in.

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dailymobile.se has custom firmwares (cfw) for the nuron, search rm-593 in their forums.
RedX has the latest & greatest. You'll get out of it an extremely fast Nuron.


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Nokia Discussion / Re: Nokia 5230 Nuron Officially released
« on: August 31, 2010, 02:13:37 pm »
Some more notes as followup to my earlier review after a few weeks of playing with the Nuron:

1. CALENDAR
   
    No way to easily reschedule the day of an event in the calendar by dragging & dropping or simply pointing to another day.
    ODD? I thought this was a touch-screen phone... lol... seems Nokia has a long way to go before making a touch-screen interface OS.

    No easy way to use a dial or on-screen touch list to set the time easily. (Should be able to just spin the hours and minutes hands at least.)

    Calendar day listing is terrible. No hours listed by the side from morning until night - eg. 8am, 9am, .... 11pm, 12pm. You only see the event & times the event is marked for.

    Thus, terrible mental math - er, if I have a 8:50am - 9:30am meeting between a 7:00am-7:40am and 10:15am-11:20am meeting, what block of time is the biggest free between these?
 
     Why on earth Nokia can't seem to display graphically the blocks of free and event times like all other calendars on other phones out there is beyond me!?!  White stripe 8am, green stripe 9am, white stripe 10am, etc.... so simple!

     No WEEK #. (eg. the 32nd week of the year)

     No way to set how many days in advance events should appear on the home screen. (I don't want it crowded with stuff I don't need to worry about yet.)

     Basically, the calendar is half-finished so to speak, and a joke when it comes to serious and quick calendaring. Can't really easily tap and change events on-the-go, and it seems destined to make a person crash and burn if they try to change even the hour of the event while walking/rushing about (screen's way too small and touch way to inaccurate and screen way too dark to select those begin/end times to change while running about easily).

2. No way to customize the quick launch button just off to the upper right of the screen. Nice that it has multimedia functions, but when they don't list what I want, it's just a waste. eg. Share? I'd rather have my Radio button there. I'm not sharing anything!

3. Messaging

    No way to set a repeating reminder for messages on vibrate (eg. one vibrate every 10+ minutes). Annoying having to check to see if the front light is flashing white.
    No way to scroll and preview through a bunch of bluetooth pictures beamed over from another phone to see what each one is w/o opening them. Very annoying. Should have a little icon next to each message.
    No way to set the number of lines previewed for the messages you get in the messaging inbox, or have the line auto-scroll so you can read w/o opening.
    No rapid way to select randomly ordered messages for deletion, etc.
    You don't see the phone numbers for each message easily - should be displayed next to the name. And tapping the name doesn't bring up the phone number. Have to bring up the message details seperately. Very annoying esp with friends and co-workers with multiple numbers and all - which source are they contacting you from?
    Enlarging the font size DOESN'T enlarge the time/date stamp for the message. Sigh.... If I'm blowing up the fonts to make it easier to see on the go, that means the time/date as well!
    No way for FULL SCREEN or FULL WIDTH pictures for each contact!? Huh? A multimedia phone with a tiny circle cutout?!? No, no, that was so ol'school low-memory flip phone! A BIG photo when someone calls!

4. Font size - system.

    Blow it up to LARGE and some parts of the OS still use a tiny font?!? Like my icons HUGE, but the time in the upper right is still TINY, the front page events are still TINY.
    Sad understanding of what LARGE means.

5. MUSIC PLAYER.

    Have to use 3rd party MUSIC LAUNCHER just to display all my MP3s in FOLDER format. I don't want some silly iPod-like tagging display. I'LL order my music, please.

    Not smart enough to use the JPEG image in the folder as the cover for all MP3s. Sigh....
   
    HEADPHONES, LINE OUT, etc. when plugged in. Seems none of these have the proper volume range. Headphones - just a touch too low to drive proper cans, Line out - too much power, etc. Why on earth can't Nokia simply let the user have FULL RANGE control over the output instead?

    Volume control is not fine enough. Huge steps in between each level - on a digital audio chip that can do finer steps.

    No timer shutdown/sleep timer - even my 5 year old PSP has this feature!

    No way to control volume with screen lock on.

6. Video player.

    Maxes out about 2000kbps (Nero Recode) MP4 files at 640x360.
    Doesn't display the preview icon correctly for some MP4 files (Nero Recode output no, DVDFab output yes).
    Volume control not fine enough for the steps.
    No portrait mode.
    Stretch/zoom/etc. does nothing for letterboxed 4:3 640x360 video.
    No shuffle, continous repeat, etc. play - even my 5 year old PSP has this feature!
   
7. NOT ONE BROWSER Works right.

    Built-in? Got Flash, but support for formatting sites correctly is so not there. Many sites just burp over it, and the browser doesn't like huge sites. Asian input and output support.

    Opera Mobile? No Flash, but otherwise does a very nice job most of the time on most websites. Sadly, can't set the User Agent ID correctly to fake IE properly to access some sites. Asian input and output support.

    Skyfire? Flash, sound, streaming, but no asian input and output support. Can't even enter any text into Flash sites like ClubPenguin, so it's totally useless despite the Flash support.

     UC Browser? Poor formatting - even basic youtube site looks messed up. Definitely still in alpha mode...

    NONE can open up a html file you dropped on the phone from the PC except the internal browser.

    Pick one? Opera Mobile - most sites play well with it and it's fast, stable and responsive for most usage. (Skyfire for anything Tube'd.)

8. YouTube and other streaming sites.
    Pretty much Skyfire to get so-so quality most of the time, sometimes nice, but video from most streaming sites work w/o much work.
    YouTube S60 app? No way to sort by the various options ala desktop - like a simple by-date sort. Sigh.....
    Built-in web browser? You'll pass chicklet sized YouTube fine, but crashes and burns on other tube sites....
    Video Hub? Works on DailyMotion - has search and sort, does a decent job... when it works...   

9. PDF reader
    PDF+ works with Asian fonts, no true 100% full screen mode.
    AlternateReader 100% full screen mode, no Asian font support.
    None can rewrap complex multi-column ebooks and emags correctly to fit width of screen. sigh....

10. Flashlight by Offscreen Technologies.
     Nice free Ovi store app. Works to keep the backlight on ALL THE TIME when you're in any streaming video app, or just want it on all the time. No more clicking the screen every minute watching tube videos due to STUPID NOKIA designers that didn't put in a NEVER TURN OFF BACKLIGHT unless the user says so option despite including Flash for Tube videos.

11. EggTimer, Tips, Timer, Memory Status from Offscreen
     Works, nice, recommended, esp. Tips. Easy to use, works as expected, no problems for free apps.

     NEOReader
     Very nice for barcode, esp. QR Code scanning. Drops you right into the QR Code's linked website w/o much trouble, works nice, and reads them well.

     Internet Radio
     Yeah, a bit of a pain since you have to make your own Shoutcast radio list, but once you do, it simply...works. Even on EDGE, easy streaming of live net radio stations to your phone. Quick connect, quick to change stations, works.
      And, doesn't even need a silly headphone plugged in to work unlike the built-in radio.

     FX-602P version 1.2.5 JAR Java scientific Casio Calculator emulator.
     Works nicely for a free scientific, although the buttons sometimes require a sure press .... just like the actual calculator does at times. Guess it's a 'true' emulation then.... lol....

12. Built-in radio.
     What?!? Still needs a 3.5" headphone jack plugged in to work?!? What ever happened to simple pull out antennas if need be? Like a 'real' radio. Even a tiny one that sticks out 2x body length works fine. Instead have to carry around the cut off end of a headphone to make it work.

13. Ovi MAPS
     HUH!?!?! NOOOOOOO!
     NO live traffic overlaying the streets and freeways ala GMaps?!? What's the point then of being able to download live traffic in Ovi Maps then?!?

     Instead, I'm burning through more battery having to launch Ovi Maps for the voice nav + GMaps for the live traffic display. And I can't see both at the same time so I have to switch back and forth.

     almost useless in freeway cities like Los Angeles w/o live traffic.....

     Zoom doesn't stick where I set it. I want to zoom out for a bird's eye view while driving, but then the Ovi Maps always zooms back in with a field of view too small for me. What's the point of putting in a zoom feature if it doesn't stick?

     No easy one-button dashboard display. You really have to dig down to get to Total Miles & Time traveled, making it tough to keep track of your time and fuel consumption on a business road trip. And this only comes up when you're in DRIVE mode. Huh!?! I can't easily get to this burried info at a stop?!? What do you mean I have to set a random destination first to see the Dashboard?!?

     Ovi or Gmaps, both have horrible color choices for high-visibility needs. Like suns glaring, screen's not bright enough, and they put some silly weakly colored spot for a car on top of some silly colored road?!?  How about looking into airplane displays first and coming  up with something easier to read first? Like start with B&W first.

14. No stylus slot, no stylus.
     Why is it I'm using my Nintendo DS stylus? and Have no place to store it? Is it that hard? Even Nintendo figured out how to put a stylus holder in, Nokia should too.

15. Rotation.
      Can't rotate in all directions to get landscape with phone flipped either direction. Only one. WHy not?!? It's just a simple thing program wise. can't imagine Nokia programmers can't figure out how to do this. Front home page doesn't rotate at all. Annoying.

16. Double or was it single tap?!?

      You get used to it, but still tap once too many at times. Silly OS needs to be reworked to get around all this.

17. Needs better input keyboard.
     SlideIt works nicely at times, but can crash Opera and or go sluggish.
     Mr.Milk's unofficial keyboard mod can work nicely, but needs a cracked phone or signing by 3rdparty (Symbian Signed won't do it, thus risking putting your IMEI out there for 3rd party signing).
     Landscape or portrait, there's so little space to see what's going on it's silly. Even Opera Mobile shows how you can have a decent keyboard in a smaller space with better design.

18. Themes
    No way to customize them on-phone.
    Can't even do something as SIMPLE as setting a 100% BLACK background for the home screen!?! Just Theme default, Image, Slide show. sigh....

    NO way to set a single photo to fit width, fit height, fit screen. Instead, it takes a little photo that I simple want fit width, and blows it up to fill the screen. Thus, I can't see anything in that photo except a small portition. Heck, even old phones had a fit width feature!

19. Clocks.
     If I set an analog clock for the home screen, why is a digital clock showing up when I browse apps?!?

     And where's my multiple home screen clocks for international use?

20. Burns through the battery like crazy.
     Simply set the GPS on, backlight to max, go for a drive, and 1 1/2-2 hours later, battery's ready to die. Sigh..... This won't do for LA driving for sure, where drives are easily 1+ hour just one way to anything in good traffic.
     Even tubing or streaming videos a bit taxes the battery quickly.

     Why not simply drop in a battery 2x the size? there's enough room with a little thicker back, and can't imagine it being too much heavier at all.

21. Screen near impossible to see in direct sunlight.
      Wishing they'd bring back those ol' B&W nokia barphone screens. I can easily read those anytime of the day.... Nuron's a joke in sunlight..... NO point putting in a GPS unit if the screen sucks.... Hey, why is it I can read my other GPS device screen so easily?? Did Nokia go Cheap on phone screens??

22. Call volume too quiet on the speakers. Had older Nokia S40 bar that was far louder.

23. Getting the SIM card out is silly. Need a pen tip?!? Why on earth didn't NOKIA simply put in a click eject just LIKE THE SD card slot?!? Total pain!

24. Camera
     Point it with the sun facing the camera, even at a angle above or to the side, and the image quality drops. Sometimes, you can even see the rings or other light reflection artifacts in the photo.
     Photo has camera shutter sound that can't be turned off.
     Since when did a SLR-like sound become the 'in' thing?? Nobody has a SLR anymore, and it's silly to 'emulate' a 20th century camera like that. No sound is best, but no setting to get rid of it. Don't imagine why not - all my other phones can be quiet.
     No easy one-touch screen button to switch between photo and video modes. Silly.

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    So, a decent device to go online to get info using Opera Mobile, update Facebook, stream a little radio, tv, tube, find your destination and get there, and do the basics, but push it and it stops making much sense. One bumps into limitations and silliness - even the basics of making a phone call is hindered by the quiet speaker (both internal and external, esp. compared to older, louder Nokias).

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Nokia Discussion / Re: Nokia 5230 Nuron Officially released
« on: August 02, 2010, 10:27:55 pm »
After 'optimizing' this puppy a bit....

1. Not that slow on 3G.
    Honestly, quite nice, even vs. a HD2.

   Once you've installed Opera 10.x w/ Asian language support, it's a dream.
   Fast, stable, and goes just about everywhere Opera desktop goes w/o much trouble.

   On EDGE, it's a bit slower, but with Opera Turbo ON, it's still doing quite well for a cheap smartphone. Usable, and you can check email, get the basics of Facebook,etc done w/o much trouble.

2. Browsers.

    PRetty much toss the built-in one out the door and install Opera Mini 10.x w/Asian fonts and SkyFire 1.5. These two focus on different areas, but both will rocket past the built-in for compatibility and speed.

    For speed, use Opera. Renders quite nicely, and with Opera Turbo ON on 3G, it's a lot like a PC experience - generally fast, snappy, does the job.

   Skyfire - watch everything and do everything you can likely think of multimedia wise. you can stream hours of TV dramas off youku and tudou w/o a problem, and it's really a nice way to catch up on episodes w/o paying more than $5.99 (or whatever you have) for full 24/7 internet per month! =D

3. SPB TV.
    You wanna watch live, streaming TV all day long? Highly recommended despite the pay price for the app. Catch up on FOX 11 news, then switch over to BBC, and hundred+ channels.
    Not quite mobi.tv for the channels covered, but similar to TVUPlayer channels listed.
    And no need for a monthly subscription once you've paid for the app.

4. SlideIT.
    Another highly recommended. Really nice Skype-like alternative for the S60 platform, and speeds up text input, esp. in portrait mode! You can really 'text' faster than before!
    Use of a stylus, eg. Gameboy stylus works nicely, is highly recommended for even faster input.
    Wish they installed this by default - would make worlds of difference for how 'friendly' it is with input.

5. S60 Virtual Radio.
   Free and lets you listen to streaming music channels through the built-in speaker w/o having to attach the headset (unlike the internal FM radio). Works nicely even on EDGE speeds.

6. See other post here for the Japanese input/display post.
    You can get full Japanese text input & display on the nuron w/o a hitch, free!

    The font that is installed also includes ALL language characters - including Chinese, Arabic, Russian, etc - and is highly recommended if you simply want to browse and read websites w/o seeing rectangular boxes for characters the phone doesn't have installed by default.  You can install this font seperately of the rest.

    You can install other input methods, such as Chinese, etc., and keep this font for display.

7. Battery life is good browsing, but the moment you start using DRIVE mode in MAPS, it gobbles up batteries like crazy. ~1 hour or so before it'll drop the bars down to 1-2 bars. Definitely car charger attached is required for heavy in-car GPS use!

    SPB TV and the like will also gobble up battery life quickly. All this tested with screen brightness on max.

8. Screen is just visible in shaded daylight in a car, but invisible in direct sunlight. Don't bother using this as a GPS unless you've got a window mount for the phone that's in a shaded area of the car. Near you face because the fonts and names of streets are small on the small screen.

    Voice directions helps - does the trick, accurate, works nicely as a voice-guided GPS.
    Visible time-to-destination is a nice plus along with distance-to-destination.
    Searching for places by name, like supermarkets and such, works well enough - Ovi Maps is a nice freebie for sure!

    GPS lockon cold takes 5+ minutes indoors, depending on sat coverage. faster outdoors w/o anything blocking sky view. Luckily, A-GPS & Network turned on in MAPS settings helps the lock go faster - 1-2 minutes max and it's locked and ready.

9. Speakerphone can be borderline just a touch quiet if the other speaker has a quiet voice. Just wished it had dual-speakers like the 6233 (that was loud). No trouble hearing the GPS nav voice however, so that's a good thing. Funny, you can even have it speaking British English or a handful of other languages for the nav commands it gives you. Quite nice.

10. Screen and back scratches easily even with care. Screen protector recommended.

11. SIM eject? Gotta use a pen tip! Crazy!! Don't like this part.

12. Sometimes, having the SD card in while plugging in the USB PC cable makes the phone reboot. No idea why, tested it a few dozen times. Just does now and then upon initial insertion.

     Way around this?

     1. Power down the phone
     2. Eject the SD card
     3. Power up and plug in USB cable
     4. Wait until the phone goes into MASS STORAGE (or whatever mode you like), then insert SD card.

13. Rocks on the $5.99 T-Zones plan I have.
     Easily pushing 135+MB of data with an hour of surfing, TV watching, and GPS navi today w/o a problem on 3G in one outing. Launching the internal web browser brings up a nice Web-To-GO initial home page, but you can otherwise enter any web site and it'll go straight to it w/o an issue. Opera and Skyfire goes everywhere w/o an issue - Yahoo, Yahoo Mail, Gmail, Facebook, Mixi, etc. Just works!

14. Screen - still a touch too small.
    You're either using the zoom'd out mode in Opera/etc. and holding the phone up super-close while squinting, or scrolling about endlessly zoomed in. HD2 definitely is the much more comfy size for a mobile web terminal, and won't hesitate to push people the HD2 way if they're serious about using it for lots of web surfing.
     
15. No physical keyboard.
     Yes, it'll kill you sometimes there isn't a real keyboard attached, and some apps don't work right on the Nuron as-is because they expect a real-keyboard input to do things.
     Workaround?

     M-VK (linked in Japanese text input/display post). This 'virtual keyboard' puts up a box on your screen. Click it and the phone thinks it's got a real keyboard attached. Type on the virtual keyboard and the finiky aps work better all of a sudden.

     Highly recommended work around to using standard S60 3rd apps on your Nuron (or 5800/5230/etc) if they expect/need a real keyboard.

16. DVDFAb for encoding videos.
     Use the iPhone setting, MPEG4 video, then pick 640x360, 1000kbps or so, 128kbps audio. Encodes nice and sharp for playback on the Nuron.

    (You can use the free Handbrake or Super encoders as well if you like - videohelp.com links them all under TOOLS.)

     Crystal clear encodes for HD sources, and they play back superb!! on the Nuron. (only too bad no MKV or Divx support....)

17. Alternate Reader rocks for PDF/DJVU ebook reading, despite small screen....
     Works very nicely as a PDF/DJVU document viewer, and works well, FREE.
 
     Mostly text-only textbooks and such open quickly and flip page-to-page w/o much delay. Good for catching up on those thousands+ page Potter books.

     A touch slower on eMags and such, so you'll have a 1-2 second delay page-to-page (much like a B&W Ebook reader) or so. (eg. 70MB Fast Company eMag truePDF version) And text is super-small when zoomed out fit-width (hold close and squint). Zoomed out, you gotta scroll around a lot, but responsive and instant motion across a page. Here, HD2 would be better for extensive ebook reading....

     Still, good enough that you can scan in all of your textbooks and use it as an ebook reader w/o much trouble.

18. Camera. Ok for the 2MP it is - decent as long as you're not within 2 feet of anything (no macros).

19. no way to force 3G or EDGE only w/o debranding/reflashing/etc.
     Thus, it'll drop to EDGE indoors in so-so reception areas right in the middle of watching TV coming in from the outside. Sigh....

     No way to force the backlight to stay on forever in SkyFire w/o a 3rd party app.
     (only Skyfire has this problem, will time out and go dark after the number of seconds set in your SETTINGS. Other apps like SPB TV will keep the backlight on until shut down.)
     Thus, if you're watching streaming video thru SkyFire, it's 60 taps per 1 hour show. (or install the 3rd party backlight app)

20. Not bad at $120 from Costco clubs. Even better at <$80 off craigslist!

     Thus, vs. $350+ for the HD2 on the open market, or a $70+/Month phone bill from T-MO, using the Nuron on the $5.99 / mo. T-Zones plan is the 'best' cheap 3G compromise out there thus far.
     (vs. HD2, TM506/TM717, etc)

     You get a 'full' web browser experience (full flash and streaming video playback off youtube, tudou, youku,etc in SkyFire; the rest in Opera), streaming TV & Radio, full out-of-box tethering to PC at 3G speeds, free Ovi Maps GPS navi forever, decently fast text input with SlideIT, ebook reading on the decent side of the line, all on a decently responsive platform.  Not IDEAL, but decent esp. features for price-wise.

     5800 and Omnia I900 would be similar platforms to this in the $150-200 range that would have more features, esp. WiFi, but they don't have 3G. Thus, video streaming over cellular is really a loss, although you can still do it near any WiFI hotspot. They do add the very important WCDMA Band I 2100MHz support for global 3G roaming however.... (otherwise, you'll be stuck on super-slow EDGE roaming in EU/Asia)

     HD2 and T-Mo androids and N900 remain the only other choices for full 3G experience w/ more power, but you have to pay for them.

     HD2 can be hacked to run Android side-by-side, so it's the 'best' choice.
     Android phones are decent, and some Tmo models have a real keyboard, but data keeps streaming all the time, so roaming outside of US w/o turning all that off (is it even possible?)  = huge roaming charges as many android users have experienced. Plus, multitude of OSs drives everyone nuts (1.4, 1.x, 2.x, etc). Smaller screens and constantly 'upgrading' are issues.
     N900. Expensive unlocked phone, but runs Linux. Small screen vs. HD2 makes it the 2nd choice given the huge price difference ($400+ for N900 vs. $49 on TMo 2yr contract from Walmart stores for HD2).

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 1. Install the universal font from here:
“View, work with, translate, and SMS in Every Single language & keep default font”
http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php/topic,15954.msg150276.html#msg150276

This enables you to read ALL asian and EU text properly (ie. kanji is displayed properly instead of as rectangular blocks on the screen). This works for russian, EU languages, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

2. Install M-VK for S60 from here:
http://digilife.bz/blog/?p=2975

This app works on the Nuron, 5230 and 5800 models. It puts a small box with an x in it on the screen when launched. You click and drag it to move it. Click to open, and you get full and 10 key keyboards.

This app EMULATES the actual/real keyboard you get with other Nokia models, such as the N97. You NEED THIS app to enable the Japanese (and other asian) IME (input method editors) to work properly since you don’t have a real keyboard on the Nuron.

Launch it and switch to the M-FEP60 keyboard (you can switch back to the default Nokia AnkFEP keyboard anytime by running this program again and changing it). The popup should say “M-FEP60 Installed” when it’s activated/selected.

3. Install M-FEP60 for S60 3rd:
http://digilife.bz/eng/wiki/index.php?M-FEP60

No, the M-FEP60 for S60 5th isn’t out yet, which is why it won’t work w/o #2 above.
However, once you’ve got #1-#3 installed, run both #2 and #3 – keep them open, don’t exit (ie. press the middle button on the Nuron to leave these running in the background once you’ve got them started).

Naturally, it’s launch and leave running.



Open up anything, Internet, notepad, messaging, and click to enter text. You’ll notice that you’ll have to find the white box with an x in it on your screen, click once to open the keyboard, and then use the on screen keyboard to enter text (ascii).

To switch to Japanese, press shift then spacebar. Now, you can type just like Microsoft Windows IME – enter a word, press spacebar to rotate through hiragana, kanji, katakana, ascii forms of what you typed. Press Enter key on the screen to accept and move to the next word.

Shift+Spacebar to switch back to ascii.



Installing Opera 10.x + Asian Fonts edition (http://mini.opera.com -> select choose custom download link, pick from list) will make browsing even nicer. Japanese is supported very nicely for both display and input, and the Nuron becomes a dream for surfing the net in Asian languages.



As for Chinese or Korean IME’s, don’t know. Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FEP_software_for_Symbian_S60

You shouldn’t need to install more fonts after #1 above, so you only need to install the FEP of choice.

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LG / LG dLite looks at lot like docomo JP L-02B .... / tethering?
« on: July 23, 2010, 12:38:28 am »
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/support/utilization/product/l02b/index.html

http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/option/about/usb_cable02/index.html

At least in Japan, the very similar looking L-02B allows tethering through the cable and software provided.
Wonder if the US version will....

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Nokia Discussion / Re: Nokia 5230 Nuron Coming March 24th
« on: March 25, 2010, 02:13:29 am »
1. played with it tonight beside the HD. Not fair, really.

2. Interface is the usual s60. Works, responds to touch well, still has the 1 tap or 2 tap issue with choices.

3. slow. Once you've played with the HD, it's light years slower. Loading up engadget was simply annoying on the internal browser. makes you wonder why bother at all? Loading a photo and zooming in was similar. Feels okay, but screen is a bit smaller, so touch-typing is that much less fun vs. a HD. more mistakes, less room for error. Not as pretty as the HD interface by far.

4. No obvious network selection setting between frequencies in the settings. either didn't find it, or it's not there. would be nice to pick just WCDMA or GSM frequencies of choice for international travel.
That said, no confirmation for WCDMA band 1 2100Mhz support yet.

5. No kidding when Tmo classed this as a phone-first. All them blackberries and androids are more 'responsive' overall, have nicer graphics and interface, and feel like 'modern' smartphones. This one? more like the simply expanded the screen on an ol flip phone and tossed out the keypad. Blackberry Bold screen alone will sway many buyers to give up and move on over, not to mention the real keyboard. Neuron can be Neurotic at times trying to get them words entered. Type, correct, type, mistake, correct, type, etc. Just not big enough vs. the HD to get into fast typing w/o a learning curve.

  That said, it does do youtube, and for a basic I'm just calling peeps and viewing tube now and then, maybe play a few songs during the day, it's a decent bar phone. You can dial okay w/o much trouble, and the pad pops quickly up even when multiple apps are running for you to dial out.

My play? Maybe a good cheapie once teathering is figured out, but otherwise, save up for a Blackberry Bold or HD.

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HD2 / Re: Initial impressions, POST HERE.
« on: March 25, 2010, 02:03:41 am »
Haven't bought it yet, but playing around with it in the store tonight here's my notes:

1) Nice screen size - finally getting bigger and closer to what's optimal for those 800x600+ resolution screens they've been tossing into smaller phones (which we can't read well at all due to tiny fonts). Here, even small fonts used in portrait mode to view Engadget's main left side posts, zoomed to view width w/o scrolling sideways, is readable and nice. crisp fonts. makes you wonder where have bigger phones been all along.

2) Blows Android phones out of the water.
    For awhile, all that flexibility to have multiple desktops, movable icons, etc. was cool. But after awhile, why do things always move about? Why can't things stick in one place and just be? why are load times feeling a touch sluggish? ie. you spend a lot of time 'mousing' around the desktop, but not really getting any for that movement.
    Well, this baby is the reason. Responsive - like a fast desktop fresh out of the box. Icons scroll through under your finger on the main page like they were connected to your mind. HTC customization is cool and intuitive. (and, it's like customization? do I even care anymore where my icons are? Everything HTC has done makes it seem like an integrated Borg cube flying outta nowhere to assimilate the masses. Feels faster than Androids I've seen changing heavy apps, loading heavy pages, etc. Engadget loads up so nice, it's like well, welcome to the 22nd century!

3) TV works. Not true HD, but more like the usual 320x240 or whatever streaming IP TV you see. Hopefully, once TMo turns on 4G everywhere, they'll have HD TV.

4) Transformers.
    Can't say there wasn't some sort of lip sync issue with the demo on the one I played with, but there was a little of it. Soldiers in the control room saying things, sound not quite moving with them lips.

     Otherwise, only thing you could ask for is a super-bright backlit or OLED.

5) Screen. Crisp. Simple as that. You can read 2pt font on this baby and it still feels like there aren't pixels on the smooth screen. Just images. Could be brighter, but I'm too used to super-bright LCDs on desktops....
No problems reading anything anywhere however, so probably bright enough for indoors.

6) Youtube. Works, a little load lag due to the network, but otherwise, nice to see full screen streaming at a size that's more comfy for handheld sharing and viewing. Makes you wonder why all phones dont' have screens this big or bigger by now.

7) Glossy front. Fingerprint magnet. Impossible to keep clean, now makes you wonder Touch Pro 3 with 5" screen and sliding keyboard, please! It'll be messy screen, or messy shirt. Your pick. You'll still have to wipe off the screen now and then - eventually, it'l interfere a touch with input (like most touch screens).

8) Feel, thickness, heft.
    Near perfect heft. Thickness is just right. Feel is rock, titanium, something solid. Nothing that'll make you think you'll break it using it at all. Nothing odd or out of place here.

9) zooms and views photos taken by camera fast enough. No lags out of the ordinary, just works. Nice.

10) Well, that said, compared to the sickly Neuron, it's a rocket. screen is nice enough to pick over any smaller alternative, and smooth interface and reponsiveness is so attractive. This is the first phone I've seen on TMo that makes me want to go home, save up more, and come back.  (Other would be unlocked, like Nokia N900. But that's a different beast.) Despite the Windows 6.5 given the super nice HTC makeover. It's also a game changer in that all those tiny phones on display now look and are tiny. It's so comfy viewing heavy sites like engadget, you just don't want to go back to a smaller screen anymore ... on any smartphone... simply because you can view sites, not squint at them.

Anyways, downers:
1) No keyboard. still not anywhere as fast and sure as a real keyboard.
2) some apps do mess up. Mobi.TV dropped out once loading a channel, had to restart it. fussy. but that's like saying Windows doesn't crash... right? ha ha...
3) makes you itch for an even larger screen. Like why not 5-6"? That'll be nice! Easily fit into a pant pocket.
4) brighter. no idea why they don't put some more LEDs back there, but I want something that'll shatter eyeballs with bright, saturated eyepopping screens. But guess you watch nice TV sets too long and you think you're cell phone should be the same.... still, no reason they can't have it in there.

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http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/945930/
Here's the FW thread - basically, call Business Direct, mention "Windows Mobile" as the promo code, get the TP2 2-yr $149.

Try not to gasp if you've already shelled out $$$$ for yours (there's always the return window...) - phone's not really worth anything above $220-240 or so based on parts breakdown (tear down reports you typically see in Electronics magazines where they do complete phone teardowns and component costing.). And no way it can be that much more than the latest iPhone 3GS.

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Okay, that said, someone please verify:

Does the T-Mobile TP2 have 2100Mhz UMTS/WCDMA BAND I for use in EU/JAPAN?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands)

We're not talking about UMTS/WCDMA BAND IV AWS used in the USA on T-Mobile which uses both 1700Mhz and 2100Mhz channels seperately for up/down links.

I can never tell by the official T-Mobile specs, website, or manual since they never clarify if it's 2100Mhz Band I or Band IV. (Sigh... as if the rest of the world doesn't exist and business travellers never fly abroad...)

I'll need BAND I for Japan since that's the only thing that lets me roam there on T-Mobile USA.

Thanks!

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